Will be ironic if they have to pull it down for not meeting code on the steps. A quick trip Todos Santos way during a belting nor'west swell. Here's the Maritime Safety Queensland website link and here's what appears to be the numerical modelling report upon which a lot of decision-making on the issue is based. That means that the Feds have all the money, the States some and the councils bugger all. Adjacent a second wall constructed just to the north, the half finished revetment was torn to rubble with dangerous rebar, boulders and cement being washed into the surf zone. Much bigger. However, the work then continued skyward with a seven metre vertical concrete wall on top of the foundations. Installing the Pilings is the fourth step. I have the mhl report but cannot find the link again. Gold Coast City Council had a similar problem to Collaroy at Palm Beach Qld. BB who is getting the sand which has gone from here? as the article states coastal erosion has been known since the 20s in that area and has been studied meticulously ever since. These impacts would have been explicitly tied to that particular design option by the engineers and other specialists involved. I wrote to Many Hydraulics Laboratory to ask for the details regarding the sea wall assessment they produced. "Once this is up it'll be a momentum for others to do it too," said Orth. I think they saw an opportunity to get landowners to pay for something that they would very likely have to do at some point anyway. Dates announced for Spencer Frost and Guy Williment's film shot in Russia's far east. The total contribution of both the Council and the State is $3.46 million, which is 20 percent of the total cost of construction. Rd: 7th Oct. 1912: c041070001: 1912: Z/SP/C25/1a: Collaroy Park Estate Narrabeen: No boundaries shown: 7th Oct. 1912: c041070002 [1915] Z/SP/C25/2 [plan of Collaroy] Government Rd, Sea View Pde, Collaroy Ave, Main Pittwater Rd, Jenkins Pde, Beach Rd . That 3-4x the height of the curved revetment? I'm not entirely sure, but one of the reasons why an offshore reef structure hasn't been considered for Narrabeen may be because it's part of the Northern Sydney Protection Zone, hosting submarine cables that connect Australia to various parts of the Pacific (including Japan). Anybody heard of rising ocean levels & retreat by wealthy landholders who where allowed to build in the dune systems which nature designed to replenish the beaches? The thing is- in those pics, behind the walls, there's really not much to protect. In the Doc below, They advised to do more Numerical modeling [Physics simulations] to be sure of the walls effect. The Act was introduced by Rob Stokes, the NSW Minister for Planning and member for Pittwater. Willi, how would easterlies impact the Great Ocean Road coast? However, while they prevent further shoreline erosion, they do not deal with the causes of erosion (French, 2001). There's no sense at all in building something like this from an engineering perspective. For those who may not know, the private land issue is complicated in NSW in particular (less so in other states) by the existence of ambulatory land boundaries which are set at various levels of the tide eg mean high water. https://www.linkedin.com/mwlite/in/peter-horton-coastal-engineer. The track became a road. @dawnperiscope All they are protecting are some pretty sparse land and some rice fields a couple of hundred metres inland. They are trying to protect a life saving club, which footings lie directly on the sandunes that eroded due to not only the waves but also the changing in direction and position of the mouth of the river (natural process). The facts stand as such, an Engineer/s designed this monstrosity and no amount of excuses can change that. Collaroy has a long history of property erosion, yet a century after it was first documented theres no consensus about how it should be managed. @Craig - Seem us humans have been doing dumb shit for quite a while now. Please enable it to continue. https://lighthouse.mq.edu.au/article/september-2021/Living-Seawalls-in-g 5 min [P] Call of the Wild skinny dip at yer local Sea-Walljust doing wot comes natural! That ABC article is spot on when it comes to waterfront properties. As the article states, in terms of erosion, vertical walls don't work and actually exacerbate the problem. walkways to viewing platforms & beaches, selective weed management, planting, education, etc), Give nature a chance, it will rebound & stabilise dunes or else find a new equilibrium.< inland. It pisses me off that people wilfully or ignorantly choose to buy in areas that are not for purpose, enabled by the property industry and then scream out for taxpayer help when the inevitable disaster occurs. I posted links to the relevant council pages in the previous story. Are the exposed quarried rocks part of the construction/ foundation or are they from pre existing efforts. With the benefit of ignorance, having not seen the actual plans, I'd be surprised if the foundations were able to fail easily as I'd expect they'd have been designed explicitly to avoid it. It looks like Chernobyl. The contractor is required to remove this temporary working platform and bund at the completion of the works, sieve the sand and remove all debris, and return the beach to its former state.. >>How can you say there is no evidence unless you have the facts to prove it? Have you done a study already? It never went to a vote of councillors, where it would have been likely voted down . What a mess. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. On top of this they have places sand band grounds out perpendicular to the sandunes. I can see everybody getting angry here on SN..but what are the solutions to seal level rise , Short term and long term. In the end it's all pretty simple though, as most beach erosion of consequence is caused by large/powerful waves. I dare say the neighbours are on notice too. Those first couple of staircases looked fucked. A quick Google informs me that they are part of the State government, either Planning or Public Works, which was news to me because its mainly staffed by UNSW academics and is associated with the uni as a research centre. "The community is not happy." Northern Beaches Council said there had been comprehensive community consultation about the council's coastal zone management plan for Collaroy Beach. And since there's been no budget allocated for future buy backs. Shows what not to do, i mean it'd have some value in an inlet or lake subject to openings to the ocean in storm surge/high tides. We have trouble performing numerical analysis on complex near shore environments, so what we'll do is create a slab sided wave tank with perfectly geometrical structures and wave forms and see what "actually happens". Yep. I assume this would all depend on the power of the state government/council etc to cap buyback prices, similar to land buybacks for roads, airports etc. I think the re-sale value of their properties trumped their ability to access the from their back garden. The council will be the lone 'interest'. Pipeline specialist injured while duckdiving in heavy waves. Any example around the world that have worked with out wrecking a beach but holding back erosion in built up areas ? and the second last line of your article states- "Brendan Donohue, President of Surfrider Northern Beaches, has been talking to us about their famous Line in the Sand protest against the Collaroy/Narrabeen Seawall 18 years ago and we are very excited to replicate that campaign on the Central Coast in the not-too-distant future," Phillips said. "Environmental vandalism or gross negligence?". What some consider the ugliest wall in Australia could soon be bigger, with residents pushing to extend the Collaroy seawall on Sydney's northern beaches. Edit: The estuary was in an area protected from the ocean and the cliffs only faced small wind chop and the tides. Nah, buybacks don't put the properties back onto the market, they're acquired by the council at market rates and then emptied, returned to parkland and foredune, both a buffer against storm action. As hostile native rescue party moves in for the killOh the Humanityreads Humilityreads Kook! Good point, however wouldn't a potential buyback theoretically drive the price up? I am actually shocked the collaroy houses in particular have gone up in value - i wouldnt be able to sleep at night living there! Has been for a while. 2016 Collaroy seawall Concept Design Specs Super difficult problem, maybe councils could buy beachfronts then lease back the properties. High-quality Collaroy Beach Wall Art designed and sold by artists. The 18-year-old scored a near-perfect 9.50 in the Final, held at Seaside Reef in Encinitas, California. Well now we know who is responsible for this debacle. A barrier reef in place would no doubt have knock-on effects. It's been seven years since the last, but the event has been called on off for this Wednesday - Hawaiian time. As far as I know their job was to asses the designs given to them by the Coastal engineers, not to actually create any designs. Maybe "Collaroy" is the aboriginal word for "Stupid White people"? This forms a foredune and a backdude. The politicians and land owners actions are an entirely separate discussion and I'm not entering into that minefield! Planning Minister Rob Stokes told the Telegraph there was a recent plan to build a sea wall in Collaroy at the scene of the devastation but the owners would not agree on making a contribution, so it never happened. increases social amenity". Though still in its early days, the reef - which cost $18 million - has maintained beach width since it was completed in 2019. An "Engineer/s" designed this monstrosity and other "Engineers" approved it. They also recently dug the mother of all holes in the sand and put huge foundations down ( well over a years work) for what I thought was further erosion work but turn out to be a access ramp for beach who cant step down onto the beach. A concrete seawall designed to stop coastal erosion is being built from Collaroy to South Narrabeen on Sydney's northern beaches. Seawall construction isnt mentioned. Rise seems nearly double than the run. Not to mention the many brutalist houses dotting its once beautiful headlands. Any system that affects the coast from a different angle upsets the balance of that orientation and the system then takes considerably more time to re-adjust. Sounds like you are pretty deep in that world! Establishment and set out of site survey control points. What a pity as the potential for offshore reefs around there is really good. Isolated, desk top engineering at its finest. Get Pro. So there is probably another DA somewhere. Embed Forecast. We have over 40 years of combined experience installing, maintaining, and repairing seawalls on both residential and commercial properties. Cyclonic activity isnt forecast to increase at all - I think the jury actually out on that at the moment, east coast of Australia in a 500 year dip too on cyclonic activity. Zen interested how Japan just keeps dropping those big Tetrapods anywhere there is coastal erosionlost a lot of surf spots..how effective do you think they actually are against erosion? Same old issues, with a more educated market. Inevitable as the ocean winning, is a painted "cock and balls" on that wall. Well go for them, put in your FOI requests and prove what we all suspect; that the council turned a blind eye to save themselves some money and appease a noisy minority. So where public assets like roads are involved things get really sticky. The point i guess im coming to is, and i know an old couple whose property is very exposed to this issue, who have lived there since 1960's and are now in their 80's and likley won't see the impeding issues in their lifetime - but really they have done nothing wrong, bought an old shack in a place they love when no one lived up here, I wouldnt say there are a lot of people left like that but there are a few I know up here a version of that and the whole "screw those rich pricks" mantra is just divisive. The theory is that the waves break further offshore, soaking up wave energy that would otherwise erode the leeshore dune system during storms. The Northern Beaches took a massive hit by big surf and a king tide . Or as the comment above lists - quoted by Prof Short - not let the property developers and real estate industry interfere with good management strategy decades ago that would have avoided council being left with a steaming pile of shit. So would you like to inform me as to WHO designed this monstrosity if it wasn't an Engineer? Statements such as the two below can only be classified as opinion unless you link to references. This process must require wind over thousands of years but people and waves stomping over dunes seems like any dune system near a popular town once destroyed wont come back? Spot on. The first application for a sloping structure was widely publicised and accepted by most who saw it. "There's no sense at all in building something like this from an engineering perspective. the council up here is anti sea walls, but there is a thread that runs through them very much of "stuff the beachfront guys - they are rich". What they fail to mention is the massive corruption that's involved in awarding these contracts and the fact that the construction companies themselves for the most part, are predominantly Yakuza. Like I said at the start, IF he is an "expert coastal engineer" then we are in a much deeper hole than I imagined. Now digging up the facts of this case would prove fascinatingthe applicant, the judges, the arguments, the ruling etc one if there is precedent for seeking compensation for judicial rulings made in error. And the properties either side?? Sea level rise equation is based on the Bruun Rule to ascertain erosion in open coastal areas like Collaroy. Compare their prediction of how it would look with the reality shown above.. https://www.eventbrite.com.au/e/climate-change-and-coastal-erosion-the-g GOR coastal erosion webinar link for today at 3pm for those interested. At this point, the relocation business case doesn't seem to stack up. Its like stepping forty years back in time. (This statement also doesn't specify what type of HARD structure. And it was created many years ago when coastal property was much lower in value and the bang for buck was much higher. Bullshit. The beach is now too dangerous to walk along and it's one big eyesore. Holds more water and replenish the beach? Initial reports claim Marcio Friere wasn't wearing an inflatable vest when he was held down in large waves. Some investigative journalism required to obtain all the council documents around its approval process. Good balanced post tango. We all know there is significant increases in sea level rise..are we setting a precedent that if your coastal property succumbs to coastal erosion, you should be financially compensated? Here's a screengrab from the website about the proposed breakwall extension: It seems that the main concern about the extension is the interruption of the natural flow of sand onto Mooloolaba beach and hence increased erosion risk. Not much wriggle room for negotiation, and in a volatile market owners are more liable to be offered (and it's an offer they can't refuse) recompense that sits at the lower end of the scale. This is very different to Collaroy. Children protest the building of a seawall at Collaroy-Narrabeen in 2002. The local community group has been protesting against a seawall for almost 30 years. Other than buy the land and let nature take its course Im really interested to know if there are any other options - not brutal like this but that might be effective ? https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=144437777895204. The angle of any hard hard structure relative to the wave direction is what really matters, so you can see why it's important to be very specific when talking about science/engineering. Plenty others have discussed it. Building a vertical [with over-top] wall is about as insane a design as you can get, as stated and proven by all the intelligent people on this forum. Making it deeper? Stupid dumbfucks. Didnt hear boo about that from anyone ? Is it designed to behave like a bottle-neck? Better still put them on a rocket for deep-space explorations [the missions that don't return] Just last March of 2019, the Northern Beaches Council succeeded in convincing the State Government to chip in on the assistance package to be given to Collaroy residents for the construction of the sea wall. Highly unlikely! But, they just persist time and time again. . That's assuming the properties are still worth something to the market. They are frequently used in locations where further shore erosion will result in excessive damage, e.g. This widely publicized protest was an attempt to promote a pro-democracy, civil liberty, social justice message, and to protest against corporate greed and economic inequality. Climate projections will have some Australian surfers rejoicing, and others not so. Yulex geta second chance at a first impression, and this time they makeit count. It would have been a bargain 20-30 years ago to buy the properties and return the space to the public for the purpose of more effective less intrusive, natural and cheaper remediation efforts. It didn't last long and within 12 hours the sand that was built up against the near finished first wall was 2/3rds washed away. Wow, that is ugly even by brutalist/modernist standards. when roads and buildings are about to fall into the sea. The Collaroy seawall was in part constructed after a significant storm event in 2016 eroded 50 metres along the Narrabeen and Collaroy shoreline, causing damage to waterside properties. Will be interesting after another summer if potential strong easterlies due to the La Nia. the whole sea level/erosion issue is here now ..hmm any idea's solutions you have come across? It's only a temporary feature. what's the logic/law in having to buy back the properties ? Around 80 percent of the cost will be shouldered by the property owners themselves while the remaining 20 percent will be jointly funded by the Northern Beaches Council and the NSW government. Rock barrels at its best! High rises to sea walls. It would be interesting to know if coastal engineers are bound by law to follow best-advice from Consulting Scientists? This has cut into the base of the dunes below the surf club. Step 5: Construct the Seawall. However, theres an irony that could've beenliftedstraight out of a script for Utopia. I mean, did someone forget about the old idiom about 'shifting sands' or what? It is a difficult and wicked problem. Aside from high tides and Tsunamis, Im guessing most islands/atolls dont suffer much erosion when surrounded by reefs? They can be excused as they thought theyd be informed before any such works took place, as per the 2016 Coastal Management Act. Where I live though the beach has no erosion issues but the council is trying curtail landowners rights significantly due to potential sea level rises combined with 1 in 100 year storms etc. I go to look at the big mistake after a big easterly storm. At the opening, Mayor Michael Regan spoke fondly of Toms achievements crediting him with adding swathes of precious coastal habitat for protection for future generations. The Mayor also unveiled a plaque that mentioned the line in the sand protest. In their natural state, sand dunes are dynamic and in a constant state of flux. This is a big money problem way beyond the scope of local councils. On the MP they blew the heads up and the erosion from Portsea front beach to the heads is crazy. Sure, but wowee regarding that huge backwash and wave entering back into the surf zone. Hi Lost, yes there is another option - see my 2 posts above. Thanks Lilas, totally get where you're coming from and taken on board. How many parts of the great ocean rd could have to close and the emergency that would lead to. [happy to stand corrected on any of this] I would rather have seen the money go into a couple of California style piers. The National Library of Australia's Copies Direct service lets you purchase higher quality, larger sized photocopies or electronic copies of newspapers pages. I asked a mate who works at MHL this exact question. Its no wonder the climate brigade aren't on board telling us all there garbage but erosion been around a tad longer than the 80s. In the early 2000s, Warringah Council (as it was then known, its since been amalgamated with Manly and Pittwater) spent $6 million dollars buying three properties. You don't have to look around the world because the Gold Coast has implemented the only effective "non- ugly as fuck" option at Palm Beach Qld. https://www.planning.nsw.gov.au/Policy-and-Legislation/Coastal-and-marin "The scheme operates along the entire NSW coastal zone except for the Greater Sydney metropolitan area, identified as between Broken Bay (Central Coast) and the Minnamurra River (south of Shellharbour).". If the council are desperate to get a liability off their books then they have totally screwed it. Current property values have ensured that this mistake will never be righted. "The only feasible way forward without wasting any more council and tax payers money to protect the properties in question is to acquire the properties at any cost and return them to a naturalised stated." From the last set of minutes from the Wamberal Seawall advisory Taskforce Nov 18 2021. we all end up paying for it directly if we haven't already e.g. Cheers for the knowledge Craig. It would be fantastic to see an interview with someone from Many Hydrolics as they did all the Scientific modeling and have been very open in sharing their data. But several of those areas experiencing recession are linked to important infrastructure that the authorities want to protect - depending on were you are, the GOR also houses telecoms, sewerage and other infrastructure. In blustery, unfavourable conditions, people began lining up at 4.00pm Saturday afternoon (27 November) between Collaroy and Narrabeen to form a 'line in the sand' against the seawall's construction. The very thing we live for one the beaches is full of concrete and man made fuck ups. South Narrabeen beach is now useless to anyone. Could be some good entertainment next time some serious swell hits. The project is part of the 1.3-km seawall proposed from South Narrabeen to Collaroy to protect both private and public assets in the suburb. Precarious! and I live 8 hours away. https://www.acma.gov.au/zone-protect-sydney-submarine-cables, That makes sense Ben. 47 votes, 47 comments. A weather-beaten cement plaque with the year 1952 is still visible along a section of the seawall. check out the beach erosion in Apollo bay as well At what point are they a write-off? RFS DU SOL's new album cover to Surrender is on point.. Collaroy sea wall 1.8 mts higher than the Berlin Wall https://i.imgur.com/DuHM6zJ.gifv Thats awesome. I recently tested an Open-Source Wave modeling software called "Celeris" and the result are really good although I didn't go too in-depth with it. Kook survives a brutal seawall bashin' well almost! Apparently there was a buy back scheme that faltered in the early 1980's when the department of public works ran out of money. I'd be happy to help draft it offline. My understanding was that council were looking at a rock revetment as they'd given approvals to a couple of other DAs for rock revetments, says Gordon. Locate courts, tribunals and offices. The protest was backed by the growing greens movement at the time and successfully pressured the then Warringah Council to knock back the protective walls. https://www.celeria.org/ Lindsay Fox is happy as a vegemite as he now has what he wanted all along, more real estate to land his helicopter on. There isnt much fetch so its only ever weak 1-4ft tops of onshore wave after wave onslaught, this a particular problem at high tide caus most bays and points usually go flat at high tide but under an easterly scenario the easterly windswell pushes right up to the dunes, and easterly swells require lots of wind and from what Ive read on swellnet these large storms if the pressure is low enough will raise sea levels higher than normal. 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