Do that at many many airports and you'll probably hit something. I'd be the same. Funeral services will also be live streamed at bit.ly/brittneyinfanger. The pilot went around on the first approach well before reaching the stacks and also at over 200 feet higher. We have 789 CESSNA Aircraft For Sale. (see threads further below), It may show in this picture where the aircraft impacted the yellow ladder apparatus and dented the smokestack. Did you notice the color of the smoke stack? That full sequence of reports showing 6, 2 1/2, 1 1/2, 1. We don't need to be paying for ILS equipment when RNAV approaches allow the same minimums with zero additional ground signal equipment at a fraction of the cost. That, combined with the snow, make it difficult to (1) visually appreciate the actual descent path being flown and, (2) see obstacles that are just protruding in the aforementioned path. Absolutely correct, our operation needed to improve its pilot evaluation, vetting and training. In the video, the pilot clearly was trying to extend the flight path as much as possible to the very last few seconds. But looking northeast toward the plant from the end of RWY20, the elevation difference on the opposite bank appears to be a lot more than 4 feet. So are you going to tell me that's not enough to get a Caravan down and stopped? RIP. You have to wonder if the plant would be blamed so vigorously in its 11th year of 24 hour drum dryer operation if N928JP's pilot was someone else. The only way to hit the obstacles is to be WAY low on the approach. Additionally, the aircraft should have been approximately 100 feet to the right of the stacks if the needles/diamonds are centered and on the approach path. You make a good point regarding the stacks based upon Google maps. DG posted an hour long analysis of this accident on his channel. There is no need to conflate the egregious errors in the case of N56KJ. (NTSB). Even reading 50 feet low she should have been 110 feet above that chimney/stack. This is a place where we learn what not to do next time. It's true that 109' separation isn't a lot, but the outdated overhead view of the stack that google maps shows tends to make commenters here miss the red steel base structure and sampler's work platform at the very top in the more recent street view images. These facts were demonstrated to tragic effect on March 15, 2012. AWOS data typically includes ceiling and sky conditions, visibility, temperature, dew point, altimeter setting and wind speed, gusts and direction, ASOS can additionally provide the type and intensity of precipitation (rain, snow, freezing rain), and obstructions to visibility such as fog and haze. Following high school, Brittney received a prestigious internship with NBC International, working in their hospitality program for the 2012 London Olympics. *(2) If you back-solve this the other way, starting from the end of the runway with a 40ft TCH vertical offset as shown on the published plate, and go up toward JAMID with a 3.75 degree slope, you still only clear the top of a 100ft AGL stack by *73 feet. The MDA & displaced threshold is for the obstacles near the approach. apparently it was marginal vfr below an overcast with one mile vis. Nevertheless, RIP to Brittney and condolences to her family and friends. :-)Try this, cued t=140, set it to .25 speed, 2:20 to 2:31 to see plume:https://youtu.be/fNIsBWj6nok?t=140, You might want to rethink that comment about the condensation plume from the plant being "underwhelming." In her job as Commissioner Doris is in the forefront of efforts to retain the very busy Santa Monica airport which is threatened by a very small but vocal group of neighbors and an unsympathetic City Council. Solo/Missed Approach/Marginal Conditions/Challenging Airport = High StressIt's the perfect setup for one of those 'undiagnosed preexisting medical conditions' that have been making the rounds these days with athletes.The coroner's report should be interesting - condolences to her family. The wreckage will be recovered on Wednesday, June 8. / 45.4288; 9.2545. At the processing plant she is less than 1/2 mile out and should have the runway in sight and been scanning between the avionics and outside. The relationship Brittney had with her mother was truly like no other. GMAFB.And insulting me (or trying to) doesn't speak to the weakness of my position, but rather the weakness of yours. If the pilot was following the 3.75 deg. "Don't bust minimums. "Santa Monica, California Airport Commissioner Doris Minter, is beginning her third year as member and chairwoman of the city's five member board. ASN Wikibase Occurrence # 301345. The observations reported at 14:20, 14:25, 14:30 of 1SM, 1 1/2SM, 2SM visibility invalidate calculations made using 1SM visibility.Original report link:https://data.ntsb.gov/carol-repgen/api/Aviation/ReportMain/GenerateNewestReport/104938/pdf. I see no conjecture from the original post; only data from flightaware. Looked for photos of how "recently" roof stacks existed there. The stacks are about 2050 feet from the runway end as marked by the threshold bar before the "piano keys" and not including the displaced threshold. They still had their own aircraft at SMO through 2017. I highly doubt a certified pilot who clearly was enjoying flying out of SMO would want to close it. The criticism of the deceased pilot rages on well before the preliminary is released and facts are obtained, and usually before the deceased has even been buried. it seems you haven't even bothered to read the prelim report. Loss of Control in Flight: Cessna 525C Citation CJ4, N614SB, fatal accident occurred . "It's not a minimums bust if you have any of the required runway elements in sight before you descend. The dope pilot flew away from the airport for some time after declaring an emergency. This tragic accident highlights the risk of anyone flying in a single engine aircraft over areas with minimal forced landing space. that happens in many non precision approaches, very common.Someone commented:At reaching the edge of the building, 80 + 8 = 88 knots:Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857Airspeed of 88 is ok, yes it fell off but stalling speed is in the low 60's.2nd the descent rate is -857. She had a special gift for making everyone she met feel important, and her smile lit up every room. But I don't find it baffling that a 95-year-old would not survive the accident. )Here are those two points, with map-pinned locations, measured distance between them and difference in raw reported altitude:Data and mapping at the edge of the Gem building:Wed 10:32:25 AM 42.5520 -113.7592 217 80 92 4,150 -857Call this Data Point "A" and google map pin it:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5520+-113.7592Data and mapping at 21 seconds and 2,650 feet horizontal distance before reaching the Gem building's edge and 300 feet higher:Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 216 81 93 4,450 -750Call this Data Point "B" and google map pin it:http://maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5578+-113.7532Determine angle using rise run:Rise: -300 feetRun: 2,650 feetFlown descent angle between final two data points = -6.5Now, repeat the calculation from JAMID to "B":First, find JAMID coordinates from FAA database:JAMID location coordinates: 42-33-59.2100N 113-44-39.3500WJAMID location converted to decimal: 42.566447, -113.744264Map pin the location of JAMID:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.566447+-113.744264Choose nearest ADS-B data point to JAMID from FA track log:Wed 10:31:37 AM 42.5669 -113.7437 216 103 119 4,750 -663Call this Data point "C" and google map it:maps.google.com/maps?t=k&q=loc:42.5669+-113.7437(JAMID's location maps about 200 feet SWest of this data point)N928JP's location at JAMID includes an uncorrected altitude of 4,750 feet, 300 feet higher than and 4,166 feet horizontally distant from the Wed 10:32:04 AM 42.5578 -113.7532 data point "B".Determine angle from JAMID to "B" using rise run:Rise: -300 feetRun: 4,166 feetFlown descent angle between JAMID and point "B" = -4.1Everybody understands that ADS-B can be terribly inaccurate, but when you add the expected +50' pressure correction to the 4,750' reported at JAMID, the data suggests that the pilot appears to be "on" at JAMID. Maybe Burley and the state of ID can get a 90% grant to build new from feds $3 billion in new funds for airports under Prez Biden and the Dem's passed infrastructure law. Agreed - not assuming willful pilot disregard of minimums until PT-6 operation is evaluated is the responsible viewpoint until investigation makes determinations.Accident aircraft was a 2013 production aircraft, not a steam gage model. I watched a podcast a few days ago discussing a similar fatal ditching (N16JR) in the Santa Monica area that happened in 2006, the NTSB determined that the occupants were not wearing shoulder harnesses (because they didn't have any) and died due to drowning with complications from blunt force trauma. So short that they don't meet FAA safety standards. A couple sleeping in the house narrowly . METAR:KBYI 131440Z AUTO 21008KT 2 1/2SM -SN BKN030 OVC047 M03/M06 A2997KBYI 131410Z AUTO 19008KT 1SM -SN BR BKN023 OVC028 M03/M05 A2996Track:https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N928JP/history/20220413/1300Z/KSLC/KBYI. Easy enough to black out signatures.Was he given permission to take that marker light?You wouldn't think that an expert would expect a strobe light instead of the red marker to be placed that close to the airport, given the easy to find advisory circular guidance, as noted in a previous comment:http://www.kathrynsreport.com/2022/04/cessna-208b-grand-caravan-n928jp-fatal.html?showComment=1650238952384#c1446716018867091538. Here's a better angle of the stack and ladder that were struck with the right wing where you can see the gash in the stack, and the damaged section of the ladder.https://gray-kmvt-prod.cdn.arcpublishing.com/resizer/Z9XA94vRdq5ABRdEofwGJeK0tGE=/1200x675/smart/filters:quality(85)/cloudfront-us-east-1.images.arcpublishing.com/gray/JNAC4GVPRBC7RHHQSIO3P2WAEY.JPGStreet view from US Hwy 30 in June 2019 of same stackhttps://www.google.com/maps/@42.5508056,-113.7581799,3a,60y,310.62h,98.21t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sXjHKzC_zNsmc7-AQYHeIAw!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?hl=en. A Cessna Citation V business jet that crashed in Oregon, the United States, killing the pilot, after entering a spiraling descent was because of pilot incapacitation, investigators of the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB) found. Please stop commenting on things you don't even comprehend or until you bother to understand the known facts. https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N2217R/history/20220508/1750Z/KTWF/KTWF We are lucky there wasn't a second accident at KBYI! Very sorry for her Family, she sounds like an amazing lady, should have lived to be an airline captain for many years, if thats what she was building time for.I have about a thousand single Pilot IFR hours between our CE-340 and Aztec F, both were very nice handling airplanes, but was taught by my CFII Dad, that if you cant get in the first time an go missed, its not going to get any better on the second try, and you will likely try to "force" your way injust decide its time to go someplace else, and hopefully you brought enough fuel to get thereof course I flew part 91 and wasnt under any pressure to deliver the goodsmy hats off to the freight dogs who have to fly in any weather, it just seems like a risky way to build time to a right seat at a regional.. . &0183;&32;A 35-year-old Madison man died and a 23-year-old Madison man was injured in a two-vehicle accident on US 421 north of Madison Sunday night. Begin final portion of descent to the runway numbers. advisory GS, that would have put her 50-60' below MDA. He owns the minds of those fans and is working toward harvesting their donations in the times ahead. I once nearly killed myself by misinterpreting what was before me driving my motorcycle at night through mist. Witness who was close by said the 208 descended out of the clouds and immediately flew into the steam seconds before hitting the tower. A man lost his life and RIP to his loved ones and friends. Aviationdb shows N8361D, a Beech J35 registered to him 1998 thru 2014, N265VA RV-12 2014 thru 2017. is quite a claim. Snow was observed falling. Kathryn's Report: Most Read This Year Cessna 208B Grand Caravan, N928JP: Fatal accident occurred April 13, 2022 near Burley Municipal Airport (KBYI), Cassia County, Idaho Cirrus SR22 GTS, N24LA: Fatal accident occurred May 06, 2022 in the Atlantic Ocean near Tybee Island, Georgia Why was the pilot of the Caravan 75-80' agl, only 2500' from the threshold? Crashed at 8:32 AM. When you think of Brittney, celebrate the memories you shared with her. "Yeah, no. / 45.4288; 9.2545. "Same document, regarding high intensity flashing white obstruction lights during daytime with automatically selected reduced intensities for twilight and nighttime operations:"should not be recommended on structures 500 feet (153m) AGL or less unless an FAA aeronautical study shows otherwise."https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC%2070%207460-1K.pdf. I'm an engineer and have a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering and a master's degree in aerospace engineering, with 15 years experience.Using satellite data from Google Earth, I drew up the geometry of this airport and the surrounding area in CAD, to prevent math errors. It is staggering that the FAA, local airport authority, and board of the "Gem State Potato Processing Plant" allowed this appalling situation. A tuber channel misrepresented the track by showing "I'd like to return" text overlay on the track right after takeoff. Assuming the aircraft is indicating 7000 on the altimeter, when she went missed and flew the published missed approach, she was 50 feet lower than expected. Surprised to see videos in the docket by astonished onlookers in disbelief that there would be a takeoff.Sometimes KR will re-post when new info comes out. All major components of the airplane remained on the rooftop. The pilot and three passengers, including the pilot's wife, were killed when the plane entered an uncontrolled descent, suffered an in-flight breakup and crashed near Hayden, Alabama. Why not divert and avoid the known and just-previewed danger?Looking at known and possible "Not diverting this time" bias factors:- Known bias factors:1. Interesting read, what a tragedy. Applying the full +50 feet of declared tolerance to 100' AGL and 4,256' MSL takes 50 feet out of the 79' and 89' foot clearance numbers leaving pass-over clearances of just 13 and 23 feet.What a can of worms. 0. And red frames/ladders would have been added solely so the personnel could go up easily to do stack sampling for environmental compliance, suggesting that the stacks existed by themselves for many years, before the exit point sampling requirement began. The point is there are numerous comments disparaging this accident pilot for busting mins despite not fully understanding the situation, and its unwise, unhelpful, and hurtful to many to spread uninformed none sense. Ever heard of a displaced threshold? Doesn't make sense to say "I read all the comments" and then talk about runway lighting when comments upthread established that the crash at 8:32 AM was an hour and a half after the 6:56 sunrise. Sunrise was 6:56. That obstacle is this 140 foot radio tower near the United Metals Recycling plant, which is 0.6 NM north east of the Gem State stack:https://www.google.com/maps/@42.5584036,-113.7480359,3a,86.2y,335.86h,111.79t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sfD-logCbUr79CSW4DcVyPQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656None of the Gem State stacks are shown anywhere on the approach plate. Weather, 20 minutes before incident, was 1 mile, light snow, broken at 2300, overcast at 2800. The minds of those fans and is working toward harvesting their donations in the case of.. 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