Even then I wince about their roll casting deficiencies. (Lowell Davis), The 8013 is definitely NOT a longer version of the 7613. That's so the swell is still in the action length. A significant part of that application are the prejudices of the person who is going to be using it. .232@10 Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. 60 0.231 142296 I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. I would love to have the opportunity to cast my perfectionist (or any one of the several I've made for people) against any 7 1/2-foot 5-weight of his choice and compare line speed, distance, accuracy, or any other criterion he would like. (Greg Holland), Who knows, he may have just been responding to a client request, presume he had to eat. Remember that respect and civility is the goal of this board. What does the taper of a rod that roll cast well look like? In fact, I had great trouble casting the bloody thing. Examples would be different techniques or methods used by restorationists and makers. (Will Price). 0 .326 .180 Very nice guy. It you look at the 8013 it is a 5/6 wt with a tip that's a little stronger than the 7613's but not by much. .266@20 I won't know the difference if it isn't perfect but want to do things approximately correct. (Jay Hake), Apparently Dickerson didn't think so. I would suggest you should RESPECT the man (as well as EC Powell and others) who made contributions to providing us all with tools to understand and continue to develop taper design (Hexrod being one, a powerful and easily applied tool, I believe based on Garrison's math). (Al Baldauski). This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. Tell me about it please. That's the "raw cane" numbers. 3 wt 0.0638 ferrules, such as Mr. Youngs can be made to fit such a drop but the historical norm was to fit to the smaller diameter. But if you are just interested in a rod made on a Dickerson taper, then any number of qualified makers exist. 5 .092 .242 Assuming this to be thus you have made adjustments so small that they are mostly below normal error, and if we allow a factor for variation in natural materials then the exercise becomes entirely futile except as an exercise in applied physics! Must have been a real thrill to cast Banjos' rod. Jim P. you have some great choices there. 5 0.088 112541 Taxes and shipping calculated at checkout, Browse our bamboo fly rods in stock and available now, Browse our collection of reels in stock and available now. Looking at the 5" dimensions for the Dickerson 7613 (1970 taper), there is a big swell under the grip. I personally have never been able to use them to describe the characteristics of a taper. Because of subjective issues like feel and personal prejudices, not to mention fashion, we "adjust" this a bit in fishing rods. The American Museum of Fly Fishing is the steward of the history, traditions, and practices of the sport of fly fishing and promotes the conservation of its waters. 48 .224 .375, I don't know how Banjo arrived at the measurements under the grip and reel seat. The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. Get information on services and amenities, security protocols, health and safety measures, and more. 30 0.151 166917 There are many ways to skin this cat. .334@35 I have never seen an actual inch by inch measure and measure for ferrules listed that I felt was more reliable than this. 50 0.203 148510 Because Ritz was not an engineer, any more than Creusevaut or Plantet were (although the latter may have been a competent mechanic) it was thought that the extension pole should be just that, a large diameter pole of slow taper. 10 0.097 (Tim Pembroke). I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. I have thougt of the 8013, as a 5 weight. I will add my 2 cents. If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. 0.093 A few of the tapers shown on the deflection comparison page are not listed here as they are from active rodmakers; out of professional courtesy I prefer not to offer those for sale. by wefishcane 05/08/09 02:55, Post by jim royston 05/26/17 08:58, Return to Rod making, restoration, repairs and discussion on those related topics concerning bamboo rods., Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. I will suggest that rodmakers as a whole are not (especially the "classics" who were trying to make a living by banging out rods), but also that minor variances of a few thousandths occurring at random do not have a large impact on the rod actions as a whole. I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. 75 0.279 126179 Most of the classic rodmakers continually "fudged" their tapers over the years (sometimes unintentionally due to machine and pattern wear, and sometimes deliberately). 40 0.184 As long as a maker includes the correct ferrule drop, Dickerson tapers are no more difficult to make than most others. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. The stepdown in the male is from a 14/64 ID where the ferrule initially goes over the bamboo and steps down to 12/64 ID for the bamboo inside of the male slide. You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. I would be interested to hear Bob Norwood's approach on this issue. 0.256 It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. Starting at a tip dimension specific to a given line weight you add diameter to the length of the rod in linier increments until you reach the rod length you want. One from the 1950s, one from the 1970s, and Russ Gooding's Golden Witch version. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. It was normal at the time to fit ferrules to the tip and undercut the butt to fit. (Chris Obuchowski). The butt was merely an extension pole to keep the tip further from the ground. I think of it as an 8013G. Quite a disparity. Part of the midwest cadre of noted builders, he built rods from the 1930's onward and was especially known for his fast two-piece rods. That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. Dickerson Rods Notes On Rods and Models Rod Features Rod Bags & Tubes Rod Markings and Script Buyer/Collector Beware Dickerson Articles About The Model Profiles Dickerson 761510 Dickerson 8014 Guide The Tom Clark Collection Anecdotes & Unseen Photos Dickerson Guide Series The Earliest Dickerson What Are The Chances? (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. How would you characterize their casting characteristics? It is my belief that there are only seven truly different tapers available as a base to design rods from. Casting 20 feet of 5wt line the stress curve is flat. It throws up some very interesting facts. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. Step Down debate again. This is merely about applying engineering principles to designing a rod for a particular application. The Dickerson 7612 taper a smooth medium action 4 wt that is 7 1/2 long in a 2pc. ), Then as it was, then again it will be. (Reed Guice). I just wanted to make the point that there's a difference between a rod with a straight taper and one with a straight, flat stress curve. OK, the rod was a Paul Young Perfectionist. 0.350 The tips look essentially the same. I don't think anyone fishes the same. It does not do anything to the action as most of the last 3 inches is inside the ferrule anyway. If you want a rod that feels like a SLT then you must compensate for the ferrules and varnish and guides by adding the proper amount of bamboo at the correct points on the taper. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. double taper silk lines at short ranges. If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. Chris likes it for Smallmouth on the Shenandoah. Halstead. Obviously this has to be judicious, as there comes a point where the taper tends more towards an adjacent standard line weight. I beef up the last 3 inches of the tip to fit the 14/64 male ferrule. If you want to make overweight rods with unnecessarily heavy tips and relatively floppy butts then straight tapers will deliver. The most interesting rods have a distinctive type of action, and a particular form and design, which is distinctive, and which seems to express a particular maker's vision. Summers Bamboo Fly Rods Company Vom Hofe Reels Young Winston Bob Summers has built and repaired quality bamboo fly rods since 1956. For that matter, how big does the swell actually have to be to stop the action of the rod? 0.334 (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. 45 .216 .375 I add a few thousandths to the last 3 inches to get a better fit. Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. . by avyoung 06/16/16 18:33, Post I think I originally posted this taper as Russ personally sent it to me. The 8013 is an 8' 0", 2/2, 5wt., 4.35 oz. As we all know, rods can often cast line weights one up and down from their designated ones. the 3pc tapers were appropriated from other makers so it does not always hold true in that case. Gillum Rods. (Robin Haywood), Is 8'4" a bit long for a 4 wt.? That has compensation for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides. (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". It was a rod I hate. 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