The police officer is therefore faced with the varied expenses. I agree with Pat on the PTV marking. Spain controlled two small mountainous sections of Northern Morocco that were separated by a bay. information presented here, but they indicate which unit(s) the materiel Pictured is a brown leather 1934 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era Sunburst L police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number or serial number 6710; view 1 and view 2. First Mass-produced Semi-automatic Pistol. 2. influence of its police during the violence and disorder of the Weimar Please report any errors to me. The chamber marking represent the military contract year of production and this example is a 1918 dated Luger. Below is continuing description of the second and final conversion. Pictured are two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle and multiple views of the subject Police holster, being view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. As you see - new evidence produces mostly new questions. This is a Luger P08 without Nazi markings! Einwohnerwehr in 1921. Prussian Police (Schutzpolizei), 1922. The initials MG represent machine gun and the number being (page 108) 10th Training Corps or (page 216) with the 10 denoting the team number. HIPO as well as Gestapo had their informers. The Treaty of Versailles (through the IMKK) restricted the size of Weimar Thanks, Dwight, for setting the record straight about these blank toggles. Other than the most notable features of the cut-back artillery holsters is the toe plug and the cleaning rod sleeve of these former artillery Luger holsters, none are the same, as there are other changes, such as method of carry, where Sturgess in TBLAP suggests, that with the lack of belt loops they were carried over the shoulder, somehow utilizing the rear attached leather stock block, although some examples have been modified to a single loop belt carry by rotating the Pictured is one such unique example. Pictured is a 1941 dated SCAMBACH & Co BERLIN brown leather police holster with an eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police inspection stamp; view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. an order of the Prussian Ministry of the Interior dated April 15, 1919, to the police cleaning rod was used in conjunction with a Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector attached to the P.08 sight band/block, many collectors and dealers are not Only one other example has ever been documented. Der herausgeber. Thanks for the additional information. Article modified: Sunday, 7 July 2019. An identical pistol variation is aptly described in Pistole Parabellum by Gortz/Sturgess, 2011 & 2012, V2, C23, P606, figure 546 text caption. This was the largest of the HZa's and located in Bavaria. 05-24-2021 12:04 AM by Neil Young. It was one of 1,000 purchased by the U.S. Pictured is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation 1 muzzle protector. the interpretation of German unit marks is outside the scope of the It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. the same style holster pictured with a 1920 chamber stamped commercial/Army/Police Luger 70319. View 1 and view 2. Edward Tinker - Co-Author of Police Lugers & Simson Lugers - Veteran Bring Backs Vol 1-4. Here are the rare Lugers (PHOTOS). One of just 1,000 made, it includes Cyrillic safety markings and crossed Mosin Nagant rifle engravings (Photos: RIA). slides open to reveal five compartments containing: Hand written in pencil on the top front edge and bottom of the box is Schllhorn, which oddly, translates to cable puller. This holster is seldom found and is considered very desirable by collectors. links[1]='http://www.cashicollection.com'; These bayonets were carried by all Police, and since Germany was a Police State, there were a lot of them. 31. eagle proof differs from recognized Police Luger eagle stamped holsters, which are usually not associated with E/WaA control numbers. All P-08 Military Lugers. Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. links[8]='http://www.johnsonreferencebooks.com'; (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. The subject pictured, aftermarket LOB Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, stamped on the flat with P08 and a stick wing Nazi proof is a different variation from the ERMA stamped muzzle protector pictured on page 174, Figure 28b of Third Reich Lugers. (motor transport seciont), Sonderwagenstaffel der Kraftfahrabteilung (armored vehicle squadron), Polizei-Reitschule (police equestrian school), Assigned to These unique Prussian State Police belt buckles are most often found in gold but have also been observed, as noted above, in this type of silver and were used during the Weimar Era and for a few years into the Nazi era until they were replaced with the standard police buckle with large swastika. by Poot 06 May 2016, 07:54, Post Estimated Price: $ 5,500 - $ 7,500 Price Realized: Details Scarce German 1936, Dated S/42 Code Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Two Matching Magazines and 1936 Dated Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Grip: walnut checkered Stock: Item Views: 9264 Maybe it was a rework from the 20's or 30's. Specifically, the reason, thought to be for the exact length of the cleaning rod shaft from the tip to the brass stop of 135mm when inserted through the 4-inch barrel installed muzzle protector, extending though the barrel, is meant to end flush to the chamber face. Many changes have occurred from the area of the state =, police = and criminal law. These discussions have taken place by numerous collectors in the pages of. Igorak89 Member Posts: 35 Joined: 03 Oct 2013, 10:01 Location: Serbia Re: Luger markings identification - help The missing upper left corner of the left grip is part of the mag safety modification. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set, both signed by the original owner. Post NowThis holster displays three distinct branches of service either real or fake. The chemical is a yellowish clear liquid with a consistency expected of a light oil. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. The device was manufactured by ERMA and is police E/B marked. Still 1991, page 25 who also states the following regarding this variation. Another NAZI era example being the Walther PP and PPK pistols pictured in Axis Pistols 1986 by J. The post WW2 German Railway system apparently still required police protection as evidenced by the subject pictured FN Browning M1922 7.65 mm pistol, stamped, interestingly, Bahnpolizei (Railway Police) U.S. Pictured is a black dyed 1933 dated Robert Larsen Berlin police holster with a Weimar era (1929-36) Sunburst police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.E.I. They appear to fall into two categories: P08s that always were P08s and P08s that were formerly unmarked Landjgerei LP08s (many 1918 DWM LP08s) that were reworked by the PTV in 1929-30 and reissued as P08s to the Landjgerei and other police. 5.6 (Cleaning Kit 34) pictured (Fig. This association is not supported by any distinguishing markings different from any other Landjgerei marked Police holsters. For more detailed information on the 1949 Police manual. The metal finish is in very good condition. $1,000. Rock Island Auctions has over 100 Lugers at their upcoming Premier Auction in May including carbines and artillery models and rare pistols meant for Persian, American, and Russian markets. This information came from a small book I have named The Luger Handbook by Aarron Davis. This legitimate variation 1 muzzle protector, as of this writing, has been known of for more than 40 years, being the first published picture of a muzzle protector, appearing in Luger by J. Walter 1977 on page 149 described as: This device is often claimed to be part of a sub-calibre barrel insert, or even a Luger Grenade Launcher: in fact, it is simply a muzzle bush to support the cleaning rod, and thus minimize wear on the rifling. Collectors tend to err toward a variation. My question, please forive if its too absurd, is" Why weren't the Riff Contract pistols ordered from the Simson Co.?" Goering kept them under control of the Luftwaffe Air Ministry while all other Werkschutz units were controlled by the Ordnungspolizei. Pictured is a black leather 1936 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with a TP or Technische Polizeischule property stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. Pictured are yet two examples of cut-back artillery holsters modified, albeit crudely, for belt carry; Example 1 and Example 2. Thanks. Note: Black scabbard & frog is city. It might be that a few H.P. by Igorak89 05 May 2016, 21:24, Post As a matter of note the police cleaning rod could be used without the barrel attached muzzle protector. Diese Frwgungen mssen die Grundlage fr die Uusbildung des Polizeibeamten bilden. Pistols and Holsters. The ERMA variation 2 unit also uses a Weight . stamping, there is enough room to the left of the defined and enhanced rectangular cartouche type enclosed S. H.133. Das geistige Rstzeug fr seine Umtsausbung muss er so vllig besitzen, das ser jederzeit das Rechte trifft. Pictured is a 1943 dated SCHAMBACH & Co. -BERLIN police holster with a unique eagle over circled Nazi Swastika police B inspection stamp; view 1, view 2 and view 3. The Shah ordered 1,000 four-inchers and another 1,000 of these bad boys in 9mm. Also, the same holster is pictured with a 1908/13 five-digit s/n commercial-military-police Luger. Mauser - Oberndorf, Germany&break;5. This is an apolitical forum for discussions on the Axis nations and related topics hosted by the Axis History Factbook in cooperation with Christian Ankerstjernes Panzerworld and Christoph Awender's WW2 day by day. Military Control Commission), was established to enforce the provisions of These cut-back, modified/converted artillery LP.08 holsters are discussed in Weimar Lugers by J. 1933-1945: Mauser Lugers. Five Complete Chapters covered by the book include: Chapt. Any advise would be greatly appreciated. All of this happened between 1912 and 1926. Police unit marked on the back is S.B.13.435 (Municipal Police, Berlin unit 13) as described by the seller. The subject Police holster E/Mg10 stamping is recognized by collectors as authentic, based on three examples seen on WwMg/41 dated WW2 military issued P08 holsters. German Army. an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster, an extremely rare circa 1930s Prussian State Schutzpolizei Police Nickel Silver, yet veryfew examples of a Police Officer or group, Weimar photos that shows groups of NCO Police with a mix of ordinary belt buckles and rectangular box style Weimar Prussian eagles. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. is the only police instruction manual to mention the muzzle protector and its intended use with the cleaning rod and the 4mm sub caliber barrel insert. Post WW2 police manual, dated 1946, is titled The Police Pistols, Dresden, part of the Soviet Occupation Zone, identified of the cover as part of the State of Saxony. And in closing, a little German Police marching music Hoch Deutschland Marsch Hermann Richter Grosses Blas-Orchester der Schutzpolizei Berlin. Unit marks were applied to many kinds of German military and police DWM Luger Identification Guide. Pictured is a WW1 P08 army holster modified to a Police holster in the 1920s or possibly early 1930s by removing the angled buckle and strap closure, converting to the police type closure by adding a pull-up strap to the holster body and adding a steel stud[4] and leather keeper strip to the cover flap. 3 days Left MAUSER C96 RED 9 POLICE, SIMSON REWORK. Despite the fact that both Weimar Lugers and Still and as illustrated in a very rare 1930s Walther advertising brochure titled: WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung and an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. Einwohnerwehr had a membership of hundreds of thousands and was This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. Der Polizeibeamte seiht sich daher den vielseitigen Uusgaben gegenberstehen. 45aand Bavarian State Police (Landespolizei), 1930. out and what appears to be a Nazi issue number 522 added to the scabbard metal throat and bayonet handle cross-bar. 19-130. Condition:--not specified . The right to believe is the right of those who don't know ". Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? A rare DWM-made Model 1906 9mm para made for the Tsarist Russia contract. with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the The last numbers on the line indicate the item number of the item that was -techn. Police Luger ? Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. Regarding the necessity to modify a cut-back Artillery to Police holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to accommodate a Police cleaning rod is questioned, as the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln cut-back Artillery to Police holster, as stated earlier, was acquired with a Police steel shaft cleaning rod with brass stopper, fully inserted in the original, unmodified cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, albeit a cover flap modified by adding a section of leather, allowing the cover flap to completely close over the seven ring wooden barrel Police cleaning rod handle. Pictured are a few examples: It does however have a small chip on the left pistol grip above the magazine release button and the magazine does not match (blue body, aluminum base "+" spare with "2" and w suffix) The dealer wants $1,200 firm but not sure if that is fair price. This was forbidden by the Treaty of Any attempt to insert or force the Police cleaning rod with brass stopper past the brass stud would damage, either the rather stiff, added inflexible cleaning rod upper leather pouch section, the holster body or the actual cleaning rod. There is a Luftwaffe Eagle 2. 355. Many combinations of eagles and numbers are noted. Pictured is an (officers) Upper Silesian "Landespolizei" buckle. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- ad[8]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/JRBMbanner.jpg'; The Police Lugers: German Police Lugers and Their Markings 1918-1958 book is in very low demand now as the rank for the book is 5,705,216 at the moment. 1 Making Modern Germany Chapt. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set. This is a standard 1934 Model gun designated by collectors as the '39 Mauser Police Banner that was ordered from Mauser for the Police use. What is unclear is the status of the Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector, which was meant to be used with the new police cleaning rods, as there is no mention as to what provisions were made regarding how or where they were carried/stored? or Schutzpolizei Hannover district as clearly stamped, curiously, on the inside of the cover flap, along with a 1920's S. H. 133. marking and in Berlin as indicated by the S.B. var links=new Array() by von thoma 07 May 2016, 02:26, Post Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. The table of contents identifies the handling and operation of all pistols used by the German police in Dresden in 1946. The is a 9mm, all matching police luger. The markings on the right side shows that this P08 was manufactured in 1939 by Mauser, Oberndorf and used by POL izei (Police). This is even if the cleaning rod got past the upper, definitely added brass stud. (May indicate manufacture or rework.) You can see this on the subject bayonet as the fuller runs almost to the end of the blade, whereas with the original blade length, the fuller would have stopped well before the tip. Mauser Sneak Police. Collectors state the following regarding the WwMg/41 marking: Opinion on these stamps has differed over the years, but current thought is that the marks may be attributed to the waffenwerk depot at Magdeburg. Luger Holsters & Their Accs., P137 Bahnschutz holster, M. Morris. period and evaded restrictions placed on them. It is also unlikely that any of the cut-back artillery holsters will be located with police markings as per TBLAP VIII, C19 page 1267 where it states: Modified army pattern holsters, whether of short LP.08 pattern originally, were not subject to formal inspection and marking upon conversion to the police pattern. These figure on the Mauser inventory listings of 09/30/1930 and 09/30/1930. The magazine has a non matching serial number. [5] The S. M. 1074 markings are crossed-out with an X punch and re-stamped, positioned perpendicular at the forward gripstrap toe with an added Ostsee property number O.1057. ad[1]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash1.jpg'; Receiver proof, some reworked 1920 Police and Military Lugers 32. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 5 ----------------------------------------------------------. installed over the barrel sight block blade assembly as a single unit with the It is possible the second conversion was even later, around the start of WW2, and if true would pistols were rejected at the acceptance procedure it would explain that these were replaced with some pistols in the v block. I could not get the other proof mark to enlarge enough to really see what it is, but with that "L" to the right of it, it is a German Police proof mark. Landjaegerei (rural constabulary), Assigned to All of the blank toggle guns are reported as Police guns. Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. MAUSER 1942 BANNER POLICE EAGLE L LUGER RIG - Z52521 9mm Luger; 95% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 4"'' barrel, Bright original finish with light scratches. Featured is a WW2 police style holster marked WaAJL16 on the rear between the bell loops along with a 4-digit 1108 believed to be a Police P.08 serial number. An examination of the P. Braunleder Cln cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass stud shows a completely different shape of style and size of either of the two different lower and upper brass stud shapes of the subject cut-back Artillery to Police holster. the 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. Estimated Price: $ 8,500 - $ 14,000 Price Realized: Outstanding World War II Nazi 1941 Dated Single Digit Serial Number 3y Mauser Banner Eagle/L Police Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol with Two Matching Magazines and 1941 Dated Police Holster Manufacturer: Mauser Model: P08 Type: Pistol Gauge: 9 mm Luger Barrel: 3 7/8 inch round Finish: blue Come join the discussion about the history, technology and extraordinary background associated with these design masterpieces. Subsequently, one would expect the resulting increase in height of the cleaning rod pouch/sleeve to require the higher relocation of the cleaning rod cover flap yet, interestingly, there is only one, apparently original cover flap stitching line evident as shown by an internal view. Sind viele Uenderungen aus dem Gebiete des Staats=, Polizei= und Strafrechts eingetreten. He must have the intellectual armament for his exercise of the environment so completely that he always meets the right. allow citizens to protect themselves from looters, armed gangs, and Simply a guard at a warehouse. Below are some other HZa manufactured holsters and Ingolstadt marked parts. by Poot 06 May 2016, 17:38, Post Im Strasrecht haben ebensalls injngster Zeit z. L. erhebliche Umwlzungen stattgesunden. These were finished and delivered by Mauser as stock on hand in the early '30s. As a result, the young police officers are faced with new tasks, which prove to be all the more difficult since the new police not only ward off the risks of political and economic struggles, but above all are supposed to be brought back to their actual previous activities. German Police Lugers and their markings 1918-1958 by Edward B. Tinker and Dwight Gruber; 2012 JavaScript is disabled. View First Unread . The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. It is, therefore, hard to imagine that the lower positioned brass stud, affixed to the original cleaning rod pouch/sleeve, despite its thicker base, is a replacement of non-German origin. There are many possible combinations of You may have been hiding under a rock if youve not yet heard of the new SIG Sauer MCX Spear. Most of them are out of date: on the other hand, so many regulations have been added recently that it would be difficult for the novice to find out the right thing. Note: Air surveillance departments controlled by the provincial One of the belt loops appears to be replaced. The finish is very good and this model has a hold open latch and stock lug. Pictured is a period photograph of three Nazi Police officers with round Gott mit uns marked belt buckles with the Police officers on the left and right side with black leather belts and the center Police officer with a white colored belt. According to the Standard Catalog of Luger by Davis the meaning of this marking is unknown. It is not The Fraktur typefaces were particularly heavily used during the rise of Nazism, when they were initially represented as true German script. 1074." or Schultzpolizei Mnsterwith pistol number 10742and post 1934 by adding a magazine safety. The original brown leather holster was probably dyed/swabbed black, at this time, to conform to regulations. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. The following tables list the base forms for police unit marks found in Police Lugers by Edward B. Tinker & Dwight Gruber This book has some very interesting chapters that many other luger books do not have. Pictured is an example featured in Weimar Lugers by J Still, 1993, by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:07, Post 7: 505: . back-side attached single, horizontal leather stock block strip and removing the center block. The 1920 dated and double dated rework Lugers (DWM and Erfurt) are in the "Lugers - DWM Commercial 1898-1929" Gallery. A 1914 Gustav Reinhardt Berlin example 1 and a 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example 2. Remnants of the original artillery holster body up-strap attachment are visible; the cover flap keeper strap and the brass stud were removed and the hole was plugged in the cover flap and a belt buckle/strap closure, as stated above was added. The holster conversion was similar to the below example 2 except that it is stamped on the rear with the original holstered police Luger serial number 5008, and fortunately the holster still retains the matching 5008 serial number stamped loading tool. This allows the cleaning of the barrel and receiver chamber without any damage to the barrel muzzle face or damaging contact to the breechblock face. Police arms had a GERMAN POLICE LUGER P08 MAGAZINE DOVE MARKINGS. Pictured is one such example with pattern likely dating from the Weimar period, identified as a German fire defense police belt buckle with a beautiful design emblem with the following inscription of: God to Honor ~ Neighbor to Defend. revolutionaries. var ad=new Array() The weirdest part is the stamp on the inside back panel. Opening the loading tool cover flap reveals the original brown leather. Pictured is a black leather 1935 dated Franz Cobau Berlin holster with an circled K police inspection stamp and P08 pistol issue number S.P.R. It is, therefore, not necessary in some cases, as the above 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example shows, to modify these cut-back Artillery to Police holsters to accommodate a Police cleaning rod as the leather flexibility, size and wall thickness varies between manufactures of WW1 Artillery holsters, specifically the cleaning rod pouches/sleeves from stiff, thick and less flexible leather to supple, thinner and more malleable leather, such as used with the 1915 P. Braunleder Cln example. Caliber 7.62mm - 6.5" barrel. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. Knowledge is power, this applies to everyone who is in public life and strives forwards, but especially for the police officers, because his job brings him into close contact with the population every hour. Army, Navy, Police, "Indeed, I am in strong support of your thesis that all Luger pistols that went to the H.P contract were produced and delivered by DWM in 1929. Sticky: Book Review History Writ in Steel: German Police Markings. A rare DWM Model 1900 U.S. Army Test Eagle Luger in 7.65mm is up for grabs as well. The E/Mg10 is thought to be the inspector stamp or proof marking used at this depot. WaA107 Mndungsschoner, circa 1934 1937, Pictured is another variation 1 muzzle protector in the collection stamped 2866. unidentified police marking that has been partially obscured and covered with X marks and a small, unidentified police inspection stamp. This has all matching numbers except for the proper grips and concentric ring, wooden base . The first stamp of WwMg/41 may signify Waffenwerk Magdeburg. For more info on 1926 Forest Police manual, click, For more detailed information on the 1930s Aux Police manual, click, For more information on the 1937 Vorschrift manual, click. be a very rare, late date for a second conversion of a WW1 artillery holster to a P.08 style, police unit marked holster. The new It is uncertain how long the holster remained in the pre-1928 first conversion, shortened LP.08 police pattern as the balance of the changes that constitute the second conversion are unique to this holster, starting with the removal of the up-strap, cover flap keeper and brass stud, plugging the cover flap stud anchor hole, and replacing the original artillery up-strap with a non-standard for a police holster, originally black paint/enamel coated metal belt buckle, keeper and strap cover flap closure. Apparently, all post 1926 police style holsters were not made exclusively for the German Police as unmarked commercial Police style holsters have been identified. I think it's a P08 made by DWM ( Deutsche Waffen und Munitionsfabriken ). " Luger Extractor Marks Luger Safety Marks Luger Magazine Marks Light sheet steel body with crimped edges. 197 or Landjgerei Hannover with an Imperial crown/D and 197 stamped loading tool; view 1, view 2 and view 3. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. III. had 96 or 98 mm long barrels, and also only the 7.65 mm caliber. (113P) DWM 1920 Police Rework Luger Pistol . I have another on the way with two more soon to be ordered, see, I originally was only going to acquire one luger to set off my axis collection. This unique variation is the only known example of a cut-back artillery so modified. All the axis pistols are gone now except some Italian berettas and I have four lugers now. It is a numbers matching pistol. Still. and Band II or Volume II published in 1921 Weimar Germany with the cover title: Das Lehrbuch fr die Polizeischulen or The textbook for the police schools. I have several lugers and Broomhandles with the "HZaJt18" marking on them. The first toggle link is marked with the Mauser Commercial Banner Code. Regarding the use of the police cleaning rod in the field it can be used without the barrel affixed Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector. But you must recognize that; being a researcher yourself! The German purpose about HIPO was clear: To help Gestapo as a Danish helping-police. These numbers were accountability numbers and were assigned to the policeman that carried the bayonet, as it remained the property of the issuing city. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 Based on the ratio proportion of the three rounds next to the muzzle protector, clearly indicates that the pictured muzzle protector is the smaller or shorter length spring-loaded variation 1 example and not the variation 2 longer length, not spring-loaded ERMA made muzzle protector. 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