So that means that you are going to build a trunk line that is supposed to take pressure off the L that can only run 10-12tph. At Nostrand Avenue and Fulton St, provisions were made for a connection to the proposed Bedford Ave line. Far simpler with more capacity. Same with Crown Heights-Utica Av. Same dilemma as if underground. The Independent Subway System (IND or ISS), formerly known as the Independent City-Owned Subway System (ICOSS) or the Independent City-Owned Rapid Transit Railroad (ICORTR), was a rapid transit rail system in New York City that is now part of the New York City Subway. Renovations also added new old-fashioned light fixtures with modern sodium-vapor lamps in them, which are suspended on long rods from the high, vaulted ceilings. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Subway prematurely. Building a subway in these conditions means having to deal with tunnel flooding more so than normal and flooding means corrosion. I-beams and could be outfitted as faades on older structures as they Subway, local and express station, ADA accessible. Given the history of cost overruns and delays that the MTA is infamous for it seems foolish to build a project which requires so many moving parts even before the most important section can be built. SAS-Grand Central future awkward? Looking at a modern take on IND plan, since the Chrystie St Connection rerouted the 6th Ave express trains over the Manhattan Bridge and the extra local service to Williamsburg, there is no extra capacity along 6th Ave to connect with the new line. But another perk is that we dont have to worry about A or B div standards hunting lodge motif with crossbeams. The Canarsie and Myrtle Lines. By the early 1920s, its population had swelled to more than 10,000. So on late nights obviously the 2/4 would run local. Between Avenue O and Fillmore St is an MTA bus maintenance facility which can be rebuilt to have a small yard on the roof. Spend that 343 million in 9-year-old dollars and where do the additional runs go? It will be express. Not a Hitch in the Service. Transfer the money (like it exists!) Now, if this was built, the 2/3/4/5 will be able to run to either branchline from either direction. Run it through there to the Culver line where it can be the additional service that justifies reopening the express level. And that nine has the corresponding capacity of 12 A Division runs. The 5 is already going express and with further station spacing you would still have good run times. Half a political lifetime ago, Bill de Blasio seemed interested in extending transit to under-served neighborhoods on his own. Same goes for if a problem happens by Flatbush or Utica, a train can be easily detoured to another branch. Top track level Maybe place one of the Ls tracks in the cut and the other over it at street level? I would love to see a post about a light rail system , Not very sure about the constraints of light rail (besides politicians lol) I agree with you that IRT was sized small for a reason, Tyler. Construction commenced on Contract 2 on March 4, 1903. The bi-level station means that the branch would have a simpler time merging with the trunk. There is a very good argument to be made that building the Worth St-Williamsburg section would alleviate traffic on the L train and serve a growing jobs center around Hudson Sq in lower Manhattan. Are you saying that IRT cant handle the demand? It was first constructed as the Eighth Avenue Line in Manhattan in 1932.. One of three rail networks that became part of the . Since we are only building Utica and not the larger network designed to replace the elevated that means that the subway would be competing with the existing trains for riders and based on ridership statistics the stations along the route arent exactly bursting at the seams: in 2015 annual ridership numbers. Quickly checking the map I see the same 6 The second plan would be far cheaper but would require that only local trains have access to Nostrand Ave while the express trains would split past the junction so that half would continue as locals and the other would run express. MTA Subway - Crown Heights/Utica Ave (3/4) 1117 Eastern Pkwy. I dont really see the need for a peak direction track this far out. Since youll be maxing out both midtown IRT express lines, New Lots and Utica combined will always have to equal Nostrand. This would boost capacity and turn around time on the entire 7th Ave express line. As per your proposal. This seems right as Fulton intersects cross-streets at that angle. Kind of surprising the Fulton line was left out of it. Building it to Water St requires all new infrastructure there and a new East River tunnel (which isnt needed) and with Nassau St located closer to the heart of the Financial District and with better transfer options (that Water St would not be able to provide) it seems obvious that its a better routing. Might fit in with narrow streets with tall buildings? IF you really wanted to have a branch off of Fulton then the construction would not be as simple as you suggest. The Utica provisions at Fulton are on the upper level and cross perpendicular to the lower platforms. Most of these riders are coming from the bus so simply extending the IRT south isnt going to strain the system. But you are right, at G/J/M/Z transfer would be best! why did you completely destroy the jamaica line, cant we just make a 3/4 line extension? something like that on pillars in refurbished station? With it both 2/3 trains would only go to Brooklyn College while 5 trains would serve the local stations, Nostrand Ave, Kingston Ave, and Utica Ave before turning south to Kings Plaza, while 4 trains would stay express to Utica Ave and take over service to New Lots. Another weekend or overnight wont kill us! Eastern Parkway & Utica Avenue. Existing abandoned portions: Part of a station for 6 tracks, with four island platforms. 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Delays wont occur because of judges ordering you to change your practices to mitigate pollution or traffic effects. But after World War II priority shifted to rehabilitating the existing system and even through Utica Ave would be featured in many of the post-War expansion plans there always seemed to be other projects that got chosen first. Also the train that stays down Fulton past Utica would now have 4 terminals, Euclid Ave, Ozone Park, and The Rockaways. Queens has the big unmet demand; its got the 12th and 25th busiest stations in the system as TERMINALS! I grant you C outright; shorter trains being more maneuverable in yards. More complicated than it needs to be. Crime Statistics (PDF) Crime Statistics (Excel) Contact Information. My first thought was that this doesnt jibe with LEX being the busiest single line but then I tallied the ridership numbers for the three lines that go up the west side for a number thats 2 and a half times as big. 3. While those numbers are nothing to scoff at, especially as they have seen over 10% increases in ridership over the last decade, the E train at Jamaica-Parsons sees ridership of over 12 million annually. The upper platform serves southbound trains, with local tracks to the west and express tracks to the east, and the lower platform serves northbound trains with a similar configuration. So your service pattern would look something like this, which is perfectly doable, north of 63rd Q, T to Fulton local, 15TPH each Between Myrtle-Broadway and Fulton St the line would down Stuyvesant Ave. No stations along this stretch were detailed by IND engineers but given typical station spacing one could guess that two stations would be needed, one between Lafayette and Greene Aves and another at Halsey St. Barring a brand new line paralleling the EPL and Fulton, which wouldnt make sense as long as capacity can still be raised on those lines, the Fulton Street line looks like the only way to ever realize that greater capacity. 10. There are no flaws in this plan. There is also limited rush hour 2 and 5 services here. Located under Eastern Parkway near Utica Avenue in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, it is served by the 4 train at all times and the 3 train at all times except late nights. Past Clarendon Rd the line would split with two tracks peeling east to a new yard facility built along the LIRR Bay Ridge line (requiring land taking). It wont serve all of Utica; just the portion that doesnt have parallel service on Nostrand. and Park Aves commuter train viaduct looks good all the time. Two deteriorating telephone poles were converted into a matching set of enormous arrows. How can build the Utica Ave Subway? The station has four tracks and two island platforms, typical for a four-track express station. Doesnt matter. Modern giant boring machines make drilling more cost effective and its common for all the tunneling to be complete years before the line can open, primarily because of stations. I think I can solve that problem and still have a train servicing East NY&Brownsville, Mill Basin, and Flatbush/East Flatbush. Like on the Jamaica el. In the station, there are ornate doors in the tile walls which serve as vent chambers. As for the bus Im sure it will go back to being local but if the demand is there for SBS (especially thru Bed Stuy) theres nothing stopping it from remaining. Planning may have actually begun. The station's two exits are located at either end. From a strictly design point of view there are two main reasons that Utica has never gotten off the drawing boards. Could be Im missing an important element here. You could replace Lafayette Ave with a new station that joins the fray and then shares track with the R. All tunnels built after the original subway were built to B Division standards. Skip stop on Fulton? will be as interesting and more reasonable than those from the genius 14 St. W 14 St and 7th Ave, W 13 St and 7th Ave, W 12 St and 7th Ave. Two island platforms. This configuration would have other benefits as the riders who are now coming from furthest away have default express trips while the 7th Ave Express-Eastern Parkway Local 2/3 trains can now have more even headways, reducing delays. We already did a shutdown that required all trains to be terminated at Franklin Av, and we survived! because Im so taken with the main idea of applying a new technique to The Utica Avenue station is an express station on the IND Fulton Street Line of the New York City Subway. But they can be overcome piece by piece whereas it would be one big jump from IRT sizing. Where do you get 10TPH from? They will have elevators or ramps for handicapped access. I also dont believe in using provisions for the sake of using provisions; S 4 St (the actual street parallel to Broadway) was never fully completed, so building a subway using that old path would be wildly expensive. 7 of NYC's Abandoned Subway Stations: City Hall, 18th St, Worth Street, Myrtle Ave, 91st St 9 of NYC's Abandoned and Incomplete Subway Platforms and Levels 5 of NYC's Never Completed or. Utica Avenue is served by the New York City Subway 's IRT Eastern Parkway Line ( 3 and 4 trains) at the Crown Heights-Utica Avenue station at Eastern Parkway [1] and by the IND Fulton Street Line ( A and C trains) at the Utica Avenue station on Fulton Street. This would suggest that even if the full line was to be built most riders would be transferring to trunk lines headed to downtown rather staying on to midtown via Williamsburg. The Utica Avenue subway station in Crown Heights, Brooklyn. 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